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  • #61
    The amount of time that I spend on my morning routine has been bugging me and I've decided I need to cut it down to a hour max. I'm in this for the long haul and if this is going to be sustainable, it needs to be more efficient. Here's what things look like now:

    Current Routine - M, Tu, Th, F:
    • Morning:
      • 5-10 minute warmup with rice sock
      • 10 minutes of bundled stretches
      • 3 sets of the following:
        • x100 jelqs (roughly 5 min)
        • squeezes (6 min)
        • clamping (6 min)

      • 5-10 minute warmdown with rice sock

    • Afternoon:
      • 10 minute Bathmate session
      • x100 jelqs


    The morning routine is 71 minutes minimum. Then there's getting settled, getting the proper EQ for each exercise, helicopters between exercises, etc. It ends up taking at least an hour and a half. So here's what I'm going to try, starting tomorrow (Tuesday):

    Revised Routine - M, Tu, Th, F:
    • Morning:
      • 5 minute warmup with rice sock
      • 10 minutes of bundled stretches
      • 4 sets of the following:
        • x50 jelqs (~2 min)
        • Helicopter (15 sec)
        • x50 jelqs (~2 min)
        • Helicopter (15 sec)
        • squeezes (3 min)
        • Helicopter (15 sec)

      • 5 minute warmdown with rice sock

    • Afternoon:
      • 10 minute Bathmate session
      • 4 sets of the following:
        • x50 jelqs (~2 min)
        • Helicopter (15 sec)



    It's easy to go from jelqing to helicopters to squeezes and back again, so I'm hoping I can accomplish the morning routine in less than an hour. At the moment, I feel like I get the least out of clamping and the most out of jelqing, so that's the direction I'm going for now. I've also added a little extra to the afternoon routine.

    Figured I'd post this tonight so that I can use it as a reference tomorrow morning.

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    • #62
      Much better. From the minute I started heating the rice sock to the minute I put it away, it was about 1 hour 10 minutes. I'm going to make a few minor adjustments to see if I can get it down to an hour.

      Also, I may try going back to a 20 minute Bathmate session. When I'm using it for 10 minutes only, I just wear it while I shower. When I use it for the full 20 minutes, I just keep it on while I brush my teeth and groom after the shower. It takes a little skill to keep it on while I do everything but it doesn't really require any extra time, which is nice.

      Here's what I'm changing:

      Revised Revised Routine - M, Tu, Th, F:

      • Morning:
        • 5 minute warmup with rice sock
        • 8 minutes of bundled stretches
        • 3 sets of the following:
          • x60 jelqs (~2 min)
          • Helicopter (15 sec)
          • x60 jelqs (~2 min)
          • Helicopter (15 sec)
          • squeezes (3 min)
          • Helicopter (15 sec)

        • 5 minute warmdown with rice sock

      • Afternoon:
        • 20 minute Bathmate session
        • 4 sets of the following:
          • x50 jelqs (~2 min)
          • Helicopter (15 sec)


      I'm also adjusting my tea recipe but haven't sorted it out fully. I did, however, discover that matcha green tea makes me want to hurl. Live and learn.

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      • #63
        Wow! 1/4 " in 3 months, that's great! It sounds like you are a little disappointed about the girth gains mainly though, since you have mainly been going for girth? I think I saw you write before that girth is a little trickier than length. Well, it sounds like you are doing all the possible things, so you're probably headed for girth gains eventually. Sounds good about making the routine more efficient.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Starting_Somewhere View Post
          Wow! 1/4 " in 3 months, that's great! It sounds like you are a little disappointed about the girth gains mainly though, since you have mainly been going for girth? I think I saw you write before that girth is a little trickier than length. Well, it sounds like you are doing all the possible things, so you're probably headed for girth gains eventually. Sounds good about making the routine more efficient.
          Thanks, yeah I'm happy with any gains but girth is the main goal. Just gotta stay consistent and see what happens.


          The new routine takes less than an hour now and the 20 minute Bathmate sessions haven't resulted in any edema or loss of EQ so far. Seems like a good plan for now. I haven't been getting morning wood the last week or two and I'm not sure what to make of that. I've still got good EQ during my routine and the last couple times I had sex with my wife, my EQ was great. Oh well. Everything seems okay down there so I'm not going to worry about it.

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          • #65
            I can get the morning routine done in about 45 minutes if I keep a good pace. My measurements after completing the routine this (Friday) morning were 8" BPEL, 5.25" BEG, 5" MSEG. Those would be some nice round numbers to cement. I feel like my next milestone is getting my MSEG to a consistent 5".

            On a different note, here's my current tea recipe:

            • 2 bags of decaf green tea
            • 1/2 tsp Siberian Ginseng 4:1 extract
            • 1 tsp ginger powder
            • 1/2 tsp fenugreek powder
            • A dollop of this lemon/ginger/honey tea mix stuff I found at Costco. Makes it taste better.


            That's kind of a 3G's tea. The other G's (gingko biloba and ginger) I take as pills. I'm not sure it's of particular interest to anybody, but these are the vitamins I take:
            • Aged garlic extract 600mg
            • Gingko biloba 120mg
            • Multivitamin (Kirkland brand)
            • Fish oil 2400mg
            • Sunflower lecithin 2400mg
            • Quercetin 800mg with bromelain 165mg
            • Zinc 30mg
            • Vitamin D 5000IU
            • Super B-complex with folic acid and vitamin C
            • L-Arginine 1000mg


            I'm sorta winging it here but this is what works for me. I'm not a doctor or a nutritionist and this is definitely not medical advice. I enjoy experimenting with this stuff, so I'm sure this list will change over time. On most weekdays, I also make myself a smoothie with fruit, greens, broccoli sprouts, protein powder, collagen powder and creatine powder.

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            • #66
              It's Measurement Monday. This week's measurement is...

              BPEL: 7.875"
              MSEG: 4.875"
              BEG: 5.25"

              I'm very happy with the MSEG this week. It's only a minor difference from last week but it represents a somewhat measurable gain in girth for me, which is what I'm after. Good way to start the week.

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              • #67
                Now that the morning routine is only 45 minutes, I'm thinking I might try a 5/2 schedule. Basically, M-F full routine, weekend full rest. I'm a creature of habit so we'll see if I even remember to do it tomorrow.

                Having reduced the morning routine and added reps to the Bathmate routine, I've spread things out more. I really like the idea of staggering the exercises throughout the day. I'd like to experiment with doing a few jelqing sets before bed but I'm not sure how to pull it off. My wife and I usually hang out in the evenings and share the bathroom before bed. I suppose I could just be mature about it and say, "I need some privacy for about ten minutes." I doubt she'd really care.

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                • #68
                  It's Friday and I figured I'd take another measurement post-routine this morning. BPEL: 8", MSEG: 5.125", BEG: 5.375". That's about 1/8" more girth than when I measured last Friday, which is possibly because I went M-F without a break and I'm back to 20 minute Bathmate sessions. I suspect Monday's measurement won't reflect anything like 1/8" increase, but what this does indicate is that the increased volume I'm doing results in more (temporary) expansion.

                  I've been wanting to get into Hindi Squats but I've seen some confusion over Hindi/Hindu Squats. After looking around, I saw somebody describe how they were doing it, and somebody else commented that it was also called the Garland Pose and was good as a pelvic floor stretch. The Garland Pose makes sense to me and it's easy to find information about it, so I'm going to work that into my daily routine somehow.

                  In other news, my libido has been up this week and my dick has new life. Here's the story behind that...

                  I go bowling most Tuesdays with my wife and a friend or two. The bartender at the alley, probably in her 40's, has started to recognize me. We chat, she mixes me a strong drink, I tip her well. Half the time I visit the bar my wife is with me but this week I was there alone. I'm normally pretty oblivious to women's signals but goddamn... she kept telling me how nice it was to see me, complimenting me, lots of eye contact, and when she handed me my change, she made sure to slide her hand against mine.

                  I'm sure this is normal for some guys and it's not like a woman has never flirted with me before, but it felt pretty goddamn good to get that kind of attention. My wife likes to know when something like this happens, so I told her. It's funny... that night she felt the need to explain that she wanted to give me a blowjob but it was unrelated to the whole bartender thing. I ate her out after that, then again the next morning.

                  Since then, my confidence is up and I've been getting random hard-ons all week. Feels good.

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                  • #69
                    Measurement Monday. Spoiler... same as last week, which is fine.

                    BPEL: 7.875"
                    MSEG: 4.875"
                    BEG: 5.25"

                    Pressing the ruler against my pubic bone and giving it a hard kegel gets me to 8", but no need to stretch the truth. I'm not there quite yet.

                    My wife and I have gone to a few spas in our city, but last evening we tried one where it's clothing optional. We kept our swimsuits on this time but man, I haven't seen that many (attractive) naked women at once since I quit porn. It was pretty fun and I'd totally go back and try it without the swimsuit. Honestly, I love being naked.

                    Unfortunately that didn't translate into any interest in sex or even much cuddling that night. Ugh. Just shoot me.

                    I've been doing the Garland Pose thing when I think of it. I woke up early this morning so I spent a little time after my routine edging and really trying to understand what's going on with my level of arousal. Here's what I took away: my involuntary kegels (IKs) are kind of my worst enemy. Stimulation + IK = PONR. Stimulation + reverse kegel (RK) = a sustainable level of arousal. Right now it's really difficult to hold off an IK with an RK when I'm aroused, but I'm hoping to practice enough to make that possible.

                    I figure it's a process of rewiring my brain, which could take time. I definitely grew up rushing it and trying not to get caught. Still, it's pretty gratifying when I'm occasionally able to overcome an IK with an RK and then ride that wave of calm pleasure.

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                    • #70
                      Hi number six I just caught up on your posts. Right now on edging I am pretty much just doing start stop. Is there supposed to be a way to be able to keep going without having to stop even when that usual stopping point is reached? I guess I'm wondering if that part you were saying about doing the RK instead of the IK is how to do that. It sounds interesting because right now I just keep start stopping and I don't know hopefully that in itself helps to desensitize something enough but maybe there is more to it?

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                      • #71
                        Hi Starting_Somewhere, thanks for dropping by. I'd be curious to know what it looks like for you when you do the start-stop method. When I've tried start-stop, it usually goes like this for me: 1) Build arousal, 2) Approach the PONR, 3) Experience IK's near the PONR, 4) Back off just in time, usually holding a kegel or continuing to experience IK's, 5) Repeat.

                        I never really found that this helped me last longer, probably because I'm just following my usual patterns of arousal and experiencing the same IK's. However, start-stop did teach me about my arousal patterns and I suppose it did give me more willpower to hold back at the PONR.

                        I used to think that I just had a really sensitive part of my dick, around the area of the frenulum. Stimulation below the head, especially in that spot, would be my quickest path to a hard-on and eventually the PONR. Honestly, there were times when I wondered if I could desensitize that area somehow.

                        But I started to notice that my state of body/mind, specifically the amount of anxiety/stress/tension I was holding had a huge impact on how sensitive things were down there. I noticed that if I smoked some weed before sex, I'd usually last longer. I'd like to last without having to smoke up, but my takeaway was that if I could calm down my nervous system, I could smooth out and extend the process of arousal.

                        You asked specifically about the IK's and RK's. I find that as long as I can fight back the urge to IK, I can continue to stimulate myself without reaching the PONR. I'm not waiting until I'm near the PONR to do a big RK or anything, I'm really just trying to maintain a light, relaxed RK throughout the edging practice. It's a simple idea but difficult to execute. I find that I'm constantly working against the natural impulse to kegel. My hope is that over time, I can retrain my body to relax.

                        So for now, I'm trying to stretch my pelvic floor, consciously let go of stress and anxiety (meditation helps), and practice RK's not just when I edge but throughout the day. Oh, and I also sit on a tennis ball to stretch those pelvic floor muscles when I can. Hope this info helps.


                        It's Friday so I measured after my morning routine. Same as last Friday... BPEL: 8", MSEG: 5.125", BEG: 5.375".

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                        • #72
                          It's Measurement Monday...

                          BPEL: 7.875"
                          MSEG: 5"
                          BEG: 5.375"

                          That's an extra 1/8" in girth compared to last week, possibly due to above average EQ this morning. Time will tell if that measurement holds up but it's great to see a solid 5" on the tape.

                          I've noticed there's a strong correlation between my EQ and the health of my relationship with my wife. No reason to go into the details here but our communication hasn't been good for several months. Over the last few weeks, I realized we needed to talk and it wasn't going to happen unless I got the ball rolling. I put it off at first and my mental state and EQ suffered. Over the last several days, we've had some good conversations and sure enough, my EQ is back.

                          I made the embarrassing mistake this morning of blowing my load right in the middle of my routine. I wasn't feeling particularly sensitive or reactive... it just happened. Annoying. Sorta powered through the rest of the jelqs after that.

                          I'm continuing to use the garland pose and butterfly pose (I think that's what it's called) to stretch out my PF. I tend to do a light RK while in these positions and I think it helps. I've definitely been more focused on stretches, RK's and eliminating IK's. I've been purposefully avoiding kegels for this reason. I think kegels are an important exercise but I've heard that it can be helpful not to do them when you're working to eliminate IK's.

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                          • #73
                            Seeing that 5" girth mark has to feel good!!! Keep it up!

                            One thing I've noticed in my relationship, when I open up and confront an issue it always gives me a higher level of confidence in myself versus when I avoid the issue.
                            Starting (2/1/21):
                            BPEL: 6.25"
                            MSEG: 4.5"
                            BEG: 4.75" (5/1/21)

                            Current (7/1/21)
                            BPEL: 7.125" (+ 0.875")
                            MSEG: 5.125" (+ 0.625")
                            BEG: 4.9375"

                            Goal:
                            BPEL: 7.5"
                            MSEG: 5.5"
                            BEG: 5.5"

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by BiggerDB View Post
                              Seeing that 5" girth mark has to feel good!!! Keep it up!

                              One thing I've noticed in my relationship, when I open up and confront an issue it always gives me a higher level of confidence in myself versus when I avoid the issue.
                              Yeah, for sure on both counts. The measurement was actually a tad over 5" but I like to be conservative rather than aspirational. Definitely felt good to see some movement on the measuring tape though.

                              I've learned with my wife that she doesn't yet have the communication skills to open up on her own. That can be frustrating for me because it requires constant vigilance and effort on my part to keep those lines of communication open, but that's what's required of me and if I don't make the effort, she closes herself off and the relationship suffers. I'm glad I got her talking again. She hasn't stopped sharing her feelings for the last five days, which is great. I like it when she's emotional and not holding anything back.

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                              • #75
                                Seems like at the end of the week, I'm always about 1/8" to 1/4" larger in most dimensions. Then I have a couple rest days and return to baseline. Today (Friday) is the same as usual in that regard.

                                Man, my marriage has been going through some weird shit lately. But at least we're communicating and we're being honest about where we are. Anywho...

                                This week (at least the last half of it), I started focusing on jelqing slower and harder. My dick feels much more exhausted afterwards. Mildly sore -- not in a bad way but in the way that muscles feel good but sore after a workout. It seems like we're all different with regards to the volume and intensity of exercises that spur growth. I'm not sure if this will work for me, but I feel like my flaccid stays bigger, longer after I'm done exercising which I take as a positive sign.

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