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    Under normal circumstances, I would not masturbate at all, due to much evidence suggesting this is the most efficient way to achieve the greatest gains the fastest. The reasoning behind this? Apparently it's is largely, if not exclusively due to penis shriveling after ejaculation.

    Although, mine aren't exactly what I'd call "normal circumstances".. I am currently on a drug known as a MAOI, and it tends to have certain temporary side effects that affect your member quite a bit. It's almost impossible to maintain or even achieve an erection, even if Im extremely aroused and horny and beating my meat. It just doesnt happen. I also can't ejaculate unless I masturbate nonstop to extremely good porn for upwards of 3 hours. This may all seem pretty bad, but aside from the perpetual flaccid, I couldn't be happier. Masturbating for 2 straight hours without any reduction of pleasure is really just.. To die for!

    Anywho, ever since I read about the ejaculation problems with PEing, I've been intentionally avoiding reaching that point. Going mostly for only 2 or 2 1/2 hours of just hitting it off on my mr member, and it really shows afterwards. I've noticed that after these sessions, my dick looks, well.. like my dick, only REALLY beat up! Don't worry though, it doesnt hurt at all, and, while I haven't checked the flaccid length comparison, it's just SUPER GIRTHY when it's like this, and it goes back to normal too (possibly with significant gains too! Ill check next time, If I do it again.. it's just so hard to get hard enough to be able to measure..) after just one or two good PE sessions, and maybe a good nights sleep.

    THE QUESTION: If I masturbate in these extreme 2 hour triathlons of endurance, and also don't ejaculate at the end of it, could it be harmful to me PEing (Loss of gains), or would it be more likely that it's be EVEN BETTER than not masturbating at all (If the exceeding amount of anecdotes and research suggesting that PEers gain more by not masturbating is correct, that is)?
    Last edited by JawiCoolGuy; 08-15-2013, 11:51 AM.

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    Anyone? For those who don't get the question: Is the action of masturbating, not including ejaculating at the end, GOOD, or BAD for gains?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by JawiCoolGuy View Post
      Anyone? For those who don't get the question: Is the action of masturbating, not including ejaculating at the end, GOOD, or BAD for gains?
      I think some people here refer to that as "ballooning." Masturbating for an extended period of time WITH ejaculating would be edging. They're both purported to be good for gains. I fail to see how they could be bad.

      What I'm concerned about is you watching and jacking it to porn for 3 hours straight. Be careful with the effects that that could have on your mind. I get that this MAOI situation is tough for you right now, but just know that relying too much on porn isn't a good thing.

      Don't RELY on porn for an erection!
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      [COLOR=#696969]Starting: BPEL - 7.5"  MEG - 5"    (11/'12)
      [B]Last:     BPEL - 8.25" MEG - 5.25" (5/'14)[/B]
      [SIZE=1]Goal:       BPEL  -  9.00"  MEG  - 5.75"  (??/'??)[/SIZE][/COLOR]

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Kitchener View Post
        I think some people here refer to that as "ballooning." Masturbating for an extended period of time WITH ejaculating would be edging. They're both purported to be good for gains. I fail to see how they could be bad.

        What I'm concerned about is you watching and jacking it to porn for 3 hours straight. Be careful with the effects that that could have on your mind. I get that this MAOI situation is tough for you right now, but just know that relying too much on porn isn't a good thing.

        Don't RELY on porn for an erection!
        Finally! reply at last! calm your face, man. I'm pretty mentally sound, at least on this MAOI I am (it's for severe depression/anxiety/etc.). I wouldn't really consider what i'm doing as either ballooning or edging really, because Im usually not even remotely close to orgasm by the time both my arms are just too tired. It's more like.. for lack of a better term, brutalizing? Not like painfully or anything, but my baby arm looks REALLY REALLY weird for a while after one of these sessions when flaccid, like, a bit crumpled looking from some obvious skin folds, and just way girthier looking without any noticeable change in length (I could be wrong, didnt measure)

        This is what Im curious about. does JUST the pull/pullback action of masturbation hurt, or benefit gains? Ejaculations/ballooning/edging are all virtually nonexistant to me at the moment

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        • #5
          Originally posted by JawiCoolGuy View Post
          Finally! reply at last! calm your face, man. I'm pretty mentally sound, at least on this MAOI I am (it's for severe depression/anxiety/etc.). I wouldn't really consider what i'm doing as either ballooning or edging really, because Im usually not even remotely close to orgasm by the time both my arms are just too tired. It's more like.. for lack of a better term, brutalizing? Not like painfully or anything, but my baby arm looks REALLY REALLY weird for a while after one of these sessions when flaccid, like, a bit crumpled looking from some obvious skin folds, and just way girthier looking without any noticeable change in length (I could be wrong, didnt measure)

          This is what Im curious about. does JUST the pull/pullback action of masturbation hurt, or benefit gains? Ejaculations/ballooning/edging are all virtually nonexistant to me at the moment
          I didn't type that last sentence, that's just the name of the thread I linked you to. My face is calm.

          Regardless of how close you are to ejaculating, if you masturbate with something resembling a full erection for a long time it could be good for gains.

          However, I do not know whether brutalizing your dick results in gains or not. Maybe someone else does.
          Code:
          [COLOR=#696969]Starting: BPEL - 7.5"  MEG - 5"    (11/'12)
          [B]Last:     BPEL - 8.25" MEG - 5.25" (5/'14)[/B]
          [SIZE=1]Goal:       BPEL  -  9.00"  MEG  - 5.75"  (??/'??)[/SIZE][/COLOR]

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kitchener View Post
            I didn't type that last sentence, that's just the name of the thread I linked you to. My face is calm.

            Regardless of how close you are to ejaculating, if you masturbate with something resembling a full erection for a long time it could be good for gains.

            However, I do not know whether brutalizing your dick results in gains or not. Maybe someone else does.
            Yea, but Ill just assume that my masturbation marathons are simply he next logical step in however the motion of jacking off effects my gains.

            1. So, there's no chance of normal (5-15 minutes) erect masturbation without any ejaculations making my skin flute any smaller?

            2. if answer to 1 is yes: What about normal (5-15 minutes), but flaccid masturbation, also without any ejaculations?
            if answer to 1 is no: That sucks, guess I just won't ever masturbate again..
            Last edited by JawiCoolGuy; 08-16-2013, 02:34 AM.

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            • #7
              anyone know this?

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              • #8
                I know that a guy replied and you told him to " calm his Face" so just sit and wait and maybe you will get a reply, maybe not. Be polite or be gone, up to you.
                Going an inch and 1/2 deeper than before

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                • #9
                  I wasn't trying to offend anyone with that, that's just something people sometimes say. The whole message would have probably sounded angry if I was actually pissed and there'd probably be way more caps. Not to mention a witty remark at the end of the message announcing my hostility and angerness.

                  Now, I wait..

                  For something people do on a daily to weekly basis, you'd think more people would know.. Oh wells..

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                  • #10
                    What you are doing is technically called "Ballooning" (it would be called "Edging" if you ejaculated at the end of the session).

                    Ballooning and edging are PE exercises in their own right. Many have claimed gains from a consistent edging/ballooning routine.

                    Regarding gains and masturbation, there was once a poll on here that showed a slight link between no ejaculating and being a decent gainer, but if I remember correctly the correlation was small enough that it was well within the margin of error for such a small sample size.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by JawiCoolGuy View Post
                      Yea, but Ill just assume that my masturbation marathons are simply he next logical step in however the motion of jacking off effects my gains.

                      1. So, there's no chance of normal (5-15 minutes) erect masturbation without any ejaculations making my skin flute any smaller?

                      2. if answer to 1 is yes: What about normal (5-15 minutes), but flaccid masturbation, also without any ejaculations?
                      if answer to 1 is no: That sucks, guess I just won't ever masturbate again..
                      Ejaculation after PE, while considered detrimental to PE gains, is not detrimental to your penis. You will not magically shrink. If you edge/balloon without ejaculation, it might even aid your PE gains, or it will do nothing. At the end of the day, edging/ballooning is done by a lot of PEers to aid their session, but it is most often used for fighting premature ejaculation.

                      I am worried about how you discuss "brutalizing" your penis. It sounds like you are being very rough with it. Even during PE, you should be showing your penis love. Remember that it will tell you how much it can take through very subtle (or suddenly painful/uncomfortable) feelings. You should be able to learn the subtle feelings so you won't have to contend with the more recognizable painful ones.

                      Personally, I have the opposite problem of pre-e. I can have sex for a long time, and it is a bit difficult for me to cum. It has gotten better in the last year, partly because I realized I had spent a lifetime edging without knowing it. I had conditioned myself to last forever. Due to this, I decided to avoid edging/ballooning sessions after a workout as it would only prove detrimental to my ability to cum during sex. Instead, I would take two or three minutes to get myself to my hardest, and then start my warm-down to increase penile blood flow further. Then I would let it come down naturally.

                      Sometimes, I finish off by massaging my penis right after the hot wrap.

                      Take care of your cock. Don't brutalize it. Know your limits, and don't push past them. This is where PE differs strongest from weightlifting: When you are at 8 of 10 reps and you feel the ache, it is time to stop for the day.
                      "If you want a log you need to keep a log." - Tinkerbell
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JawiCoolGuy View Post
                        I wasn't trying to offend anyone with that, that's just something people sometimes say. The whole message would have probably sounded angry if I was actually pissed and there'd probably be way more caps. Not to mention a witty remark at the end of the message announcing my hostility and angerness.

                        Now, I wait..

                        For something people do on a daily to weekly basis, you'd think more people would know.. Oh wells..
                        I am probably much older, I must have not got it, my bad. Now that was hip
                        Going an inch and 1/2 deeper than before

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                        • #13
                          Regarding anti-depressants, I have not experienced MAOIs, but almost every other class. SSRIs, TCAs, SNRIs... ugh. All of these inhibit ejaculation to various extents, some even prevent erection. Experience with SSRIs and SNRIs was so extreme that it was not possible to ejaculate at all, even after hours.
                          So first of all, I fully empathise with you. Depr+Anx is never going to be fun. And I know this all too well.

                          Secondly, another reply warned about using too much porn. This is sound advice. Even if one's mind is in a great state, there is plenty of evidence to support the view that regular masturbation to porn reduces the normal response to stimulation when with a real partner. The effect can mean that one simply does not become aroused at all with a real partner. It is called desensitisation. That is the essence of the problem with porn.

                          Thirdly, long sessions of masturbation could improve size if you are firmly erect throughout. If flaccid, it would seem to have no more benefit than simple stretching excercises at best. I would expect that if you spent the same two to three hours on a good routine, perhaps including jelqs, stretches and so on, then you would see much better benefits. Even half an hour spent daily doing proper jelqs would probably give you some really impressive girth increases. Alternatively, three to four hours a day weight-hanging or using an extender could give you some permanent length gains (but check the safety advice on this forum first!). Both of these, jelqs/stretching or hanging/extending are probably going to be more successful than masturbating, and the time would be more effectively spent.

                          All the best - Jono.

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                          • #14
                            okay, so, I'm not one hundred percent sure if my question was answered, but I appreciate the answers. That goes double because I thought ballooning and edging were the same thing, till now.

                            I was just worried because I saw a small bit of research that, although technically inconclusive, was enough to make me reassess my habits.

                            the thingy: Masturbation and Penis Size Gains | PEGym

                            So, then I thought "If the biggest gainers NEVER masturbate, and the poll was taken from people on this site = a lot of the people who DO masturbate probably edge/balloon which, although better than regular masturbating and beneficial to gains, still show significantly smaller gains versus those who NEVER masturbate. The only difference then, as far as first impressions go atleast, was that If you never masturbate, you're also never doing the motion of masturbation, and if that correlates with bigger gains, then maybe I should flat out stop too" only not outloud and talking-to-myself-esque sounding

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JonoClouds View Post
                              Regarding anti-depressants, I have not experienced MAOIs, but almost every other class. SSRIs, TCAs, SNRIs... ugh. All of these inhibit ejaculation to various extents, some even prevent erection. Experience with SSRIs and SNRIs was so extreme that it was not possible to ejaculate at all, even after hours.
                              So first of all, I fully empathise with you. Depr+Anx is never going to be fun. And I know this all too well.

                              Secondly, another reply warned about using too much porn. This is sound advice. Even if one's mind is in a great state, there is plenty of evidence to support the view that regular masturbation to porn reduces the normal response to stimulation when with a real partner. The effect can mean that one simply does not become aroused at all with a real partner. It is called desensitisation. That is the essence of the problem with porn.

                              Thirdly, long sessions of masturbation could improve size if you are firmly erect throughout. If flaccid, it would seem to have no more benefit than simple stretching excercises at best. I would expect that if you spent the same two to three hours on a good routine, perhaps including jelqs, stretches and so on, then you would see much better benefits. Even half an hour spent daily doing proper jelqs would probably give you some really impressive girth increases. Alternatively, three to four hours a day weight-hanging or using an extender could give you some permanent length gains (but check the safety advice on this forum first!). Both of these, jelqs/stretching or hanging/extending are probably going to be more successful than masturbating, and the time would be more effectively spent.

                              All the best - Jono.

                              Hey Jono, sorry you have similar mental issues. I was actually hesitant to join this site a few days ago because one of my first thoughts was that, taking as long as PE does, Its not worth it because ill probably off myself pretty soon. I got over that as soon as I figured that the alternative was just being idle about it, and besides, im not dead yet. Sorry, I just know how bad it can be. hope that helps.

                              I know quite a lot about pharmacology and am super active on SAS (socialanxietysupport dot com). you can ask me anything and Ill see if I can help. My suggestion? If you dont respond to first line medications relevant to your condition (SSRIs/SNRIs), go straight to trying to trial an irreversible MAOI (Parnate/Nardil) or, if you havent tried too many and don't mind, TCAs aswell. MAOI's are VERY hard to get a script for, but save yourself a few years of wasting your life and find someone who will do it. Dr ken gillman from psychotropical dot com can recommend them to a psychiatrist because he's a very strong advocate for MAOI. If you're afraid of interactions/side effects, dont be, they are VASTLY over stated from all of the demonizing of the drug from irresponsible doctors, and pharmaceutical companies and their financial influence. Better even, after a few months, MAOIs have a better side effect profile than even simple SSRIs. Just be sure to have at least some knowledge on serotonin toxicity and hypertensive reactions from tyramine though before getting a script, and mainly, for your own safety.

                              thanks for replying btw. goodluck on your everything

                              Edit: also, Im aware that masturbation isn't as beneficial as the many tried and true PE exercises, but unless it's BAD, like SHRINK MY DICK BAD, or MASSIVELY DECREASE MY GAINS BAD, I cant help but wanna enjoy the luxury of it sometimes. It's like playing sports, and intensively practicing for sports. intensely practicing tends to be more beneficial for how you game, but it's not nearly as fun, or even worth it at all if you dont get to play some rounds every now and then. Maybe not the best analogy?
                              Last edited by JawiCoolGuy; 08-16-2013, 10:58 AM.

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