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    OK.
    This is how I understand the "time under tension" moto.

    Stretching with 1lbs for 2 hours equals to stretching 2 lbs for 1 hour.
    And it is supposed to have the same effect on the matter of gains.

    Yes or no?
    Any comments?

  • #2
    As one increases the tension/weight the amount of time does NOT decrease in proportion, but actually decreases out of proportion to the amount of weight used.

    An example- let's say you're barely able to hang 5 lbs for 5 minutes. You're not going to be able to double the weight and halve the time (10 lbs. for 2.5 minutes).

    There's an excellent analogy to weight training- example- you can bench press 250 lbs for 10 reps; this certainly doesn't mean you can double the weight and bench press 500 lbs for 5 reps.
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    • #3
      That's not how it works at all. There is an optimum weight and an optimum time. If the weight you're using doesn't pull harder than it takes to get past the elastic yield point, you won't get any real elongation. If its too heavy, you risk injury.

      So if 1lb doesn't get you to the YP, it doesnt matter how long you hang with it. You might see some temporary effect, but no long-term gain. If you hang too much weight, you run the risk of injury from breaking fibers faster than they can heal, eventually causing a rupture.

      So 1lbx2hrs, 2lbx1hr, 20lbsx6min, are not the same at all, even though time x tension is the same.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by USGainEx View Post
        That's not how it works at all. There is an optimum weight and an optimum time. If the weight you're using doesn't pull harder than it takes to get past the elastic yield point, you won't get any real elongation. If its too heavy, you risk injury.

        So if 1lb doesn't get you to the YP, it doesnt matter how long you hang with it. You might see some temporary effect, but no long-term gain. If you hang too much weight, you run the risk of injury from breaking fibers faster than they can heal, eventually causing a rupture.


        So 1lbx2hrs, 2lbx1hr, 20lbsx6min, are not the same at all, even though time x tension is the same.
        So how are people gaining with the use of just 600grams (extender) for 4-12 hours/day?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by teodeles View Post
          So how are people gaining with the use of just 600grams (extender) for 4-12 hours/day?
          1.3lbs is probably enough to hit the YP of at least some of the tissues involved. And there's also the factor of other exercises being performed.

          I've never personally messed around with determining what weight is needed to get full extension of the ligs, but just judging by how much force it takes when I stretch manually, that's probably pretty close
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          04Aug18: 7.375x5.5
          12Sep18: 7.5x5.375 (haven't had time for ULIs)

          Goal: 7.5-8 x 5.5-6. Almost there!

          Heat makes all the difference.

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          • #6
            There's also a difference in the mechanisms of viscoelastic creep and plastic deformation, which seem to be used interchangeably.

            Viscoelastic creep is temporary. There's an equilibrium factor here between time and force. Once that time under force ends, the tissues will creep their way back to their original length.

            Plastic deformation is another ball of wax. We're going beyond the elastic range and creating microfailures, which heal and fill in to create a permanently longer tissue.

            So let's say you gain an inch and a half over the course of two years of dedicated PE. Lets also say that one inch of that is plastic deformation, and the other half is ve creep. When you stop doing PE altogether, the creep gains get taken away, but the plastic gains are yours to keep.
            01Jun18: BPEL 6.75, MSEG 5.0
            04Aug18: 7.375x5.5
            12Sep18: 7.5x5.375 (haven't had time for ULIs)

            Goal: 7.5-8 x 5.5-6. Almost there!

            Heat makes all the difference.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by teodeles View Post
              So how are people gaining with the use of just 600grams (extender) for 4-12 hours/day?
              Part of the training experiment requires testing to see what works best. While the higher intensity routines are more efficient and usually yield results, some just do well (or better) with light tension/high volume.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by USGainEx View Post
                There's also a difference in the mechanisms of viscoelastic creep and plastic deformation, which seem to be used interchangeably.

                Viscoelastic creep is temporary. There's an equilibrium factor here between time and force. Once that time under force ends, the tissues will creep their way back to their original length.

                Plastic deformation is another ball of wax. We're going beyond the elastic range and creating microfailures, which heal and fill in to create a permanently longer tissue.

                So let's say you gain an inch and a half over the course of two years of dedicated PE. Lets also say that one inch of that is plastic deformation, and the other half is ve creep. When you stop doing PE altogether, the creep gains get taken away, but the plastic gains are yours to keep.
                An excellent example of radical permanent plastic deformation is the megalophallus phenomenon.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Big Al View Post
                  An excellent example of radical permanent plastic deformation is the megalophallus phenomenon.
                  Exactly. Unfortunately, its a crapshoot as to whether it'll actually function after the deformation, or PE would be as simple as putting on a cockring and waiting until its the size you want. As I understand it, only a small percentage of those who have megalophallus from priapism still function like a normal penis.
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                  04Aug18: 7.375x5.5
                  12Sep18: 7.5x5.375 (haven't had time for ULIs)

                  Goal: 7.5-8 x 5.5-6. Almost there!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Big Al View Post
                    Part of the training experiment requires testing to see what works best. While the higher intensity routines are more efficient and usually yield results, some just do well (or better) with light tension/high volume.
                    Just to add:

                    The tension required to reach the plastic zone is highly individual, and has a much smaller margin of error. Its much better to sneak up on it very slowly than to risk rupture. Something as simple as a jarring motion can cause injury when you're using that level of tension, so a "slip and grab" of a hanging device could very well cause a serious rupture. Not only does progressively adding small amounts of weight build conditioning, it builds experience as well. Make your mistakes when you're walking, not running. It hurts a whole lot less

                    We're also not dealing exclusively with connective tissue, so nerves, smooth muscle, blood vessels, etc add more limitations.
                    01Jun18: BPEL 6.75, MSEG 5.0
                    04Aug18: 7.375x5.5
                    12Sep18: 7.5x5.375 (haven't had time for ULIs)

                    Goal: 7.5-8 x 5.5-6. Almost there!

                    Heat makes all the difference.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by USGainEx View Post
                      Exactly. Unfortunately, its a crapshoot as to whether it'll actually function after the deformation, or PE would be as simple as putting on a cockring and waiting until its the size you want. As I understand it, only a small percentage of those who have megalophallus from priapism still function like a normal penis.
                      Interestingly enough, from the cases I've read the patients were still able to experience erections after the incident.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by USGainEx View Post
                        Just to add:

                        The tension required to reach the plastic zone is highly individual, and has a much smaller margin of error. Its much better to sneak up on it very slowly than to risk rupture. Something as simple as a jarring motion can cause injury when you're using that level of tension, so a "slip and grab" of a hanging device could very well cause a serious rupture. Not only does progressively adding small amounts of weight build conditioning, it builds experience as well. Make your mistakes when you're walking, not running. It hurts a whole lot less

                        We're also not dealing exclusively with connective tissue, so nerves, smooth muscle, blood vessels, etc add more limitations.
                        Easing slowly into training and building up conditioning is definitely a good thing.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Big Al View Post
                          Interestingly enough, from the cases I've read the patients were still able to experience erections after the incident.
                          According to this research, there's also a huge difference between ED rates between sickle-cell and non-sickle-cell patients with recurrent priapism. Almost 50-50 for SC vs 21% for others.

                          With recurrent priapism lasting up to two hours, the rate dropped to 0% for non-SC but stayed the same for SC patients.

                          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4437763/

                          The hemodynamics are completely different.
                          01Jun18: BPEL 6.75, MSEG 5.0
                          04Aug18: 7.375x5.5
                          12Sep18: 7.5x5.375 (haven't had time for ULIs)

                          Goal: 7.5-8 x 5.5-6. Almost there!

                          Heat makes all the difference.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by USGainEx View Post
                            According to this research, there's also a huge difference between ED rates between sickle-cell and non-sickle-cell patients with recurrent priapism. Almost 50-50 for SC vs 21% for others.

                            With recurrent priapism lasting up to two hours, the rate dropped to 0% for non-SC but stayed the same for SC patients.

                            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4437763/

                            The hemodynamics are completely different.
                            Interesting research.
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