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  • Big Al
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    Originally posted by Pegasus View Post
    Forgeting lig gains for the moment The tunica and fascia are stretched allowing more blood to be helg but this would lower eq except that smooth muscle also increases ??? Have I got this right ? How do girth vs length gains play into this.
    Whatever the scenario, corresponding size gains should be accompanied by corresponding EQ gains. If the systems which maintain EQ don't keep up with size gains it may lead to lessened overall EQ- despite gains in size.

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  • Big Al
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    Originally posted by solidlength View Post
    Not calling you out but smooth muscle tissue does indeed grow via hypertrophy just like skeletal and cardiac muscle. Smooth muscle can also 'grow' unlike the other muscle tissues by dividing via hyperplasia.

    Source: https://opentextbc.ca/anatomyandphys...smooth-muscle/
    Interesting! The article states smooth muscle may grow via hyperplasia and hypertrophy.

    It would be great to see how this plays out with penis enlargement. Are the cells passively expanding, or is actual cellular growth in the smooth muscles being made.
    Last edited by Big Al; 03-26-2020, 02:31 PM.

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  • solidlength
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    Originally posted by Pegasus View Post
    Forgeting lig gains for the moment The tunica and fascia are stretched allowing more blood to be helg but this would lower eq except that smooth muscle also increases ??? Have I got this right ? How do girth vs length gains play into this.
    I have often thought this to be true anecdotally. If you ever see some really well endowed guys in porn they typically have what appears to be a pretty flaccid hard erection. I have often wondered if you get to have a certain size penis if your veins/arteries do not size accordingly to supplement the necessary volume of blood to the penis to achieve a 10/10 erection. Just thought though, no hard evidence. (pun intended)

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  • solidlength
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    Originally posted by Pegasus View Post
    Umm guys you are basically saying the same thing the amount of muscle increases by an increase in the number of muscle cells caused mostly by hyperplasia aka mitosis. Which is a different method than skeletal muscle which grows by hypertrophy( or so current understanding contends)
    Two ways to grow: Hypertrophy (same as cardiac and skeletal) or Hyperplasia. I did not make any claim as to how smooth muscle tissue 'mostly' grows.

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  • Pegasus
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    Originally posted by Big Al View Post
    Smooth muscle is allowed to expand via expansion of the tunica and fascia, and further length is gained from extending the suspensory ligament.
    Forgeting lig gains for the moment The tunica and fascia are stretched allowing more blood to be helg but this would lower eq except that smooth muscle also increases ??? Have I got this right ? How do girth vs length gains play into this.

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  • Pegasus
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    Originally posted by solidlength View Post
    Not calling you out but smooth muscle tissue does indeed grow via hypertrophy just like skeletal and cardiac muscle. Smooth muscle can also 'grow' unlike the other muscle tissues by dividing via hyperplasia.

    Source: https://opentextbc.ca/anatomyandphys...smooth-muscle/
    Umm guys you are basically saying the same thing the amount of muscle increases by an increase in the number of muscle cells caused mostly by hyperplasia aka mitosis. Which is a different method than skeletal muscle which grows by hypertrophy( or so current understanding contends)

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  • solidlength
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    Originally posted by rbi99 View Post
    While no kind of medical professional, I believe that growth within a smooth muscle cell is limited. Skeletal muscle cells have no limit and can grow to a very large size via micro tears and recovery. Smooth muscle cells can only take in a limited amount of nutrients, and in order to fully eliminate waste products within the cell, the same thing applies. If smooth muscle cells grow too large, they either die or divide (mitosis). It is my belief that it is not the increase in size of the smooth muscle cells that adds girth, but rather it is the increase in the number of smooth muscle cells. There is much more going on down there for sure, but I believe this is part of it. I have tried to find the dissertations regarding smooth muscle cell growth where I learned of this, but can't find them now/
    Not calling you out but smooth muscle tissue does indeed grow via hypertrophy just like skeletal and cardiac muscle. Smooth muscle can also 'grow' unlike the other muscle tissues by dividing via hyperplasia.

    Source: https://opentextbc.ca/anatomyandphys...smooth-muscle/

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  • Big Al
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    Originally posted by Trapezius View Post
    Ok. There seems to be decline in smooth muscle content with aging and that could lead to lower eq. Do you know can you do anything to reverse/stop that decline/increase smooth muscle content?
    Kegels can be good for strengthening and maintaining the penis- as well as resolving issues of venous sufficiency. See: Pelvic floor exercise versus surgery in the treatment of impotence.

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  • Trapezius
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    Originally posted by Big Al View Post
    I'm of the opinion that you're not building smooth muscle as much as you're allowing for greater expansion of the penis due to the elongation of the suspensory ligament, fascia, and tunica.
    Ok. There seems to be decline in smooth muscle content with aging and that could lead to lower eq. Do you know can you do anything to reverse/stop that decline/increase smooth muscle content?

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  • Big Al
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    Originally posted by Trapezius View Post
    I read that smooth muscle content is directly related to erection quality. Because the more smooth muscle penis has the more outflow veins are compressed trapping blood more effectively into penis. Can jelqing increase smooth muscle content and so improve erection hardness throught that mechanism described above?

    Can pumping do this same thing by forcing more than normal amount of blood into penis?
    I'm of the opinion that you're not building smooth muscle as much as you're allowing for greater expansion of the penis due to the elongation of the suspensory ligament, fascia, and tunica.

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  • Trapezius
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    I read that smooth muscle content is directly related to erection quality. Because the more smooth muscle penis has the more outflow veins are compressed trapping blood more effectively into penis. Can jelqing increase smooth muscle content and so improve erection hardness throught that mechanism described above?

    Can pumping do this same thing by forcing more than normal amount of blood into penis?

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  • rbi99
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    Originally posted by danBionic View Post
    I know very little about jelqing, but if I understand correctly the point is to force too much blood into the penis so that the internal tissues are stretched and will cause increased cell division due to mechanical force. Wouldn't erection drugs do this more effectively? They are literally know for causing very long lasting and intense erections. It's probably not a good idea to do it every night but I would be very interested to see the stats for long term use of ED drugs and any permanent size increases.

    While having erections are definitely good for a healthy penis, I don't think an erection overtaxes your cells. Jelqing blows them up and then down as your jelq over them. This action stresses the smooth muscle cells much more.

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  • danBionic
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    I know very little about jelqing, but if I understand correctly the point is to force too much blood into the penis so that the internal tissues are stretched and will cause increased cell division due to mechanical force. Wouldn't erection drugs do this more effectively? They are literally know for causing very long lasting and intense erections. It's probably not a good idea to do it every night but I would be very interested to see the stats for long term use of ED drugs and any permanent size increases.

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  • Big Al
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    Smooth muscle is allowed to expand via expansion of the tunica and fascia, and further length is gained from extending the suspensory ligament.

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  • rbi99
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    Originally posted by Trapezius View Post
    "Smooth muscle grows". Is that right?
    What if tunica just limits length so hard that it cannot get more length.
    While no kind of medical professional, I believe that growth within a smooth muscle cell is limited. Skeletal muscle cells have no limit and can grow to a very large size via micro tears and recovery. Smooth muscle cells can only take in a limited amount of nutrients, and in order to fully eliminate waste products within the cell, the same thing applies. If smooth muscle cells grow too large, they either die or divide (mitosis). It is my belief that it is not the increase in size of the smooth muscle cells that adds girth, but rather it is the increase in the number of smooth muscle cells. There is much more going on down there for sure, but I believe this is part of it. I have tried to find the dissertations regarding smooth muscle cell growth where I learned of this, but can't find them now/

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