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    A big thanks to Kimberly for formatting that plain text I sent her!
    Originally posted by KMWylie View Post
    Check out our guest post by ArtisticAnarchist. He'll be creating a thread in the Beginner's Forum, for everyone to comment on and discuss this very real problem of skewed penis size perspective.

    Thanks, AA!

    Penis Size Perspective: Guest Post by ArtisticAnarchist
    And discuss away
    Last edited by ArtisticAnarchist; 08-22-2018, 10:15 AM.
    Start | BPEL: 6.2500, EG: 5.0000 |
    Current | BPEL: 7.0625, EG: 5.0625 |
    Goal​ | BPEL: 7.5, EG: 5.5 |


  • #2
    Thank you AA, thread now stickied, so it won't get lost !
    Valued Member of 11 years at the PEGym
    Looks are deceiving, mirrors don't lie.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Dangler View Post
      Thank you AA, thread now stickied, so it won't get lost !
      Thank you sir!

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      Start | BPEL: 6.2500, EG: 5.0000 |
      Current | BPEL: 7.0625, EG: 5.0625 |
      Goal​ | BPEL: 7.5, EG: 5.5 |

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      • #4
        Originally posted by RedWilly View Post
        What about best selling dildos with girth sizes? Love to hear about that.
        Great article.
        I didn’t include girth measurements because the first and second best selling dildos only list the width (not the circumference), but the third best selling dildo is listed as having 4.5 inches in girth; I imagine the other two would have similar sizes to that.
        Start | BPEL: 6.2500, EG: 5.0000 |
        Current | BPEL: 7.0625, EG: 5.0625 |
        Goal​ | BPEL: 7.5, EG: 5.5 |

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        • #5
          Great write-up, AA.

          My own anecdote: my ex-gf brought out a toy one night. I had to pause. Looked at it. I said "damn, girl! Do I need to get surgery or something?!" She laughed kinda quizzically, and asked what I meant. I said "that thing's huge!" To which she replied "ummm... you're bigger". I called bullshit, and the most f'ed up optical illusion I've ever seen unfolded in front of me:

          As she walked across the room, it got bigger and bigger (of course). Then, as she held it up to mine, it got smaller and smaller. WTF!?!? It was almost an inch shorter and I'd estimate about a quarter inch less in girth. Floored me that my brain was working against me like that.
          01Jun18: BPEL 6.75, MSEG 5.0
          04Aug18: 7.375x5.5
          12Sep18: 7.5x5.375 (haven't had time for ULIs)

          Goal: 7.5-8 x 5.5-6. Almost there!

          Heat makes all the difference.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by USGainEx View Post
            Great write-up, AA.

            My own anecdote: my ex-gf brought out a toy one night. I had to pause. Looked at it. I said "damn, girl! Do I need to get surgery or something?!" She laughed kinda quizzically, and asked what I meant. I said "that thing's huge!" To which she replied "ummm... you're bigger". I called bullshit, and the most f'ed up optical illusion I've ever seen unfolded in front of me:

            As she walked across the room, it got bigger and bigger (of course). Then, as she held it up to mine, it got smaller and smaller. WTF!?!? It was almost an inch shorter and I'd estimate about a quarter inch less in girth. Floored me that my brain was working against me like that.
            And since professional and amateur porn is doing things like that intentionally, multiple your experience by a factor of ∞ and flood the market with content; is it any wonder so many men and women are wrong about size?
            Start | BPEL: 6.2500, EG: 5.0000 |
            Current | BPEL: 7.0625, EG: 5.0625 |
            Goal​ | BPEL: 7.5, EG: 5.5 |

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            • #7
              Great article! Thanks for your contribution.
              To totally satisfy a woman sexually is not about having a large penis, it's about being a good lover.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ArtisticAnarchist View Post
                And since professional and amateur porn is doing things like that intentionally, multiple your experience by a factor of ∞ and flood the market with content; is it any wonder so many men and women are wrong about size?
                Not to mention people exaggerating to try and impress, compete, or belittle.

                I'll post numbers here just to track progress, but if anyone else asks, I don't give hard numbers. If a chick really presses the issue (it's happened a couple of times), I'll tell her to show me what's big to her. The couple times its happened, "eight inches" ended up being more like six, six and a half. One grabbed the fat end of a pool cue with both hands and said "maybe a little thicker". So about 6" and average girth. And then looked at me like I was supposed to be intimidated.

                So yeah, you're absolutely right. The eyes lie, people lie, the camera lies... and it messes everything up in our heads and destroys our confidence.
                01Jun18: BPEL 6.75, MSEG 5.0
                04Aug18: 7.375x5.5
                12Sep18: 7.5x5.375 (haven't had time for ULIs)

                Goal: 7.5-8 x 5.5-6. Almost there!

                Heat makes all the difference.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by USGainEx View Post
                  Not to mention people exaggerating to try and impress, compete, or belittle.

                  I'll post numbers here just to track progress, but if anyone else asks, I don't give hard numbers. If a chick really presses the issue (it's happened a couple of times), I'll tell her to show me what's big to her. The couple times its happened, "eight inches" ended up being more like six, six and a half. One grabbed the fat end of a pool cue with both hands and said "maybe a little thicker". So about 6" and average girth. And then looked at me like I was supposed to be intimidated.

                  So yeah, you're absolutely right. The eyes lie, people lie, the camera lies... and it messes everything up in our heads and destroys our confidence.
                  You've also got racial stereotypes.

                  If you're a black man and everyone expects you to have a massive penis and you don't, and you don't know about PE, the amount of pressure on that individual is beyond unfair.

                  Meanwhile, asians are expected to be small, so who knows how much that factors in for their self-esteem, or how much of it plays a part in a woman's mind when she's deciding whether to approach/date/sleep with an asian man.

                  There's probably no racial expectation for white men.

                  On the flip side, if you know about PE and are white or asian, it's easier to exceed (size) expectations.
                  Last edited by ArtisticAnarchist; 08-22-2018, 10:10 PM. Reason: Grammar
                  Start | BPEL: 6.2500, EG: 5.0000 |
                  Current | BPEL: 7.0625, EG: 5.0625 |
                  Goal​ | BPEL: 7.5, EG: 5.5 |

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                  • #10
                    Just going to put it out there if you try to talk sense about penis size in the real world .
                    My advice is don't .

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                    • #11
                      Interesting point about the top selling dildos on Amazon. I'm going to play Devil's Advocate her and say the reason these are the best selling in that size category is it could be the first sex toys purchased, so naturally you start small.
                      Original/Current Stats:
                      09 / 2017: BPEL 6.75" / NBPEL 6" / MEG 4.75" / BPFSL 7.25"
                      09 / 2019: BPEL 7.625" / NBPEL 6.625" / MEG 5" / BPFSL 8.125"

                      Realistic Goals:
                      BPEL 8" / NBPEL 7.0" / MEG 5.25"

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                      • #12
                        For those of us who are somewhat dysmorphic, I think being more of a shower can also be detrimental to what we "see". Reason being, we get used to what we see, and if it doesn't grow that much going from soft to hard, it all just blends and looks pretty much "the same".
                        Original/Current Stats:
                        2014-09-01: BPEL 6.8"/NBPEL 6" MEG 5.0", BPFL 5"/NBPFL 4" FG 4.4"
                        2019-03-16: BPEL 8"/NBPEL 6.75" MEG 5.2", BPFL 6.75"/NBPFL 5.5" FG 4.5"

                        Goals:
                        Realistic: BPEL 8.5"/NBPEL 7.5" MEG 5.5"
                        Optimistic: BPEL 9"/NBPEL 8" MEG 5.75"
                        Dream: BPEL 10"/NBPEL 9" MEG 6.5"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Pegasus View Post
                          Just going to put it out there if you try to talk sense about penis size in the real world .
                          My advice is don't .
                          I don't talk about penises outside of this website

                          Originally posted by Ellford View Post
                          Interesting point about the top selling dildos on Amazon. I'm going to play Devil's Advocate her and say the reason these are the best selling in that size category is it could be the first sex toys purchased, so naturally you start small.
                          However, it's the total length that's advertised in the title/headline of the product, so customers who don't read the fine print actually think they're purchasing a 7+ inch dildo.

                          Originally posted by Phoenix7672 View Post
                          For those of us who are somewhat dysmorphic, I think being more of a shower can also be detrimental to what we "see". Reason being, we get used to what we see, and if it doesn't grow that much going from soft to hard, it all just blends and looks pretty much "the same".
                          The converse is probably also true; I imagine many men feel self-conscious about their small flaccid.
                          Start | BPEL: 6.2500, EG: 5.0000 |
                          Current | BPEL: 7.0625, EG: 5.0625 |
                          Goal​ | BPEL: 7.5, EG: 5.5 |

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                          • #14
                            I want to chime in b/c sites like this one and research I've done over the years were a huge eye opener for me. The article linked reminded me of that fact. I was also someone who suffered from a dysmorphic view of my own penis for a long time. I never thought it was small, no, no, but I certainly just considered it average. I would see men in the locker room, at the gym, on TV, etc... and it just *looked* like their penis was so big, particularly in the flaccid state. Not just longer but I thought fat too (this will be super ridiculous when you learn more about me in a moment). It really was a completely distorted view of my own penis. Granted it never bothered me, I just never saw myself as some large guy. I even thought all the women who said things were just doing what they do to every guy. How could all those "fat" flaccid penises in the locker rooms and on TV not be so common throughout every day life if I was so often seeing them?

                            Here is the deal though. First of all we distort how much we really see these others (we just remember the ones we think are large more easily). It's actually quite rare. Secondly we see them from a totally different angle. Looking down on our penis makes it look so much smaller. And lastly you have to factor in the whole grower vs shower situation. I never realized just how large I was. I honestly thought many women were just saying it and that they say it to every guy, yadda yadda, whatever.

                            After reading lots of data about sex stats, researching, learning about sites like this one, etc... I learned how warped my view of my penis was. Both my ex-wives would go on and on about how massive my dick was, my recent ex-wife would talk about how it split her open, or made her feel like a virgin (especially if we hadn't had sex in awhile), sometimes she would bleed or get a sore if we got into a serious sex session or had a little fuck fest (you know, those 2 to 3 a day events that happen every now and again). Many girls I've been with would say, "omg, holy shit". Some would be like, "uhh...maybe we need a larger condom?" (wouldn't go on). I still just thought it was something they would say to anyone or that maybe everyone has these things happen.

                            The whole reason I'm pointing this out is b/c my stats are pretty ridiculous as it turns out and even someone with my stats can have a distorted view.

                            My stats, so we have something to compare to (and to understand how absurd my story is):
                            BPEL: 6" (I could say 6.25" because I can easily push it that far with a good erection but I feel like 6" is more realistic -- then again maybe the jelqing really is working?? )
                            EG: 6.25"

                            As you can see I'm not super long, average, well maybe the top end of the average range, but average nonetheless. My girth is off the charts though. I had no idea that virtually no one (or very few anyway) are this thick. For years when I was much younger I thought all condoms just strangled and hurt people which is why I hardly ever used them if I could avoid it. I thought I would need to be "huge" to use a Magnum so I never even tried one for years. I simply thought, no way. I had no idea. Haha.

                            Much of this I learned years ago, not just since coming this site, but it reminded me, and the article made me want to point out my experience b/c it can show just how twisted your view can become even when you are very large. My total volume (length and girth combined) apparently puts me in a range that is around 98%-99%+ (even using my most strict measurements). I've even seen some of the online calculators put the total volume at a range that is 5 guys in a room of 1000 who might be larger (i.e. ~99.5%) . I couldn't imagine it in my wildest dreams years ago. Not just based off my anecdotal and empirical observations in locker rooms (especially given that I do this turtling thing pretty badly after a stressful workout which probably further complicated my view of myself when I was seeing flaccid penises in the locker room).

                            Just something to keep in mind guys. I wanted to share simply to show how ridiculous it can be even when you are in the top .5% to 1.5%.
                            Last edited by sumhanglo; 08-24-2018, 10:13 PM.

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                            • #15
                              I think a lot of it has to do with our own visual perception. Looking down on an erection makes it look even smaller, especially when compared to one seen from different angles in porn.

                              Most guys do not realize just how big their erection is. By resetting our visual perception we may be better satisfied by what we have. I started out on the high end, and have had women tell me it was big, but I did not see it myself. I gained over an inch, and still did not see it. I always buy condoms off the shelf, in fact, where I live there are no big sizes. I never even thought about buying large sizes until this last summer (just finished the last of the regular box, will try the "magnums" soon).

                              If you are into PE, try doing it for a while without using your eyes. I've done a month at a time without seeing my erection, I did all exercises and edging by feel. I also started using the opposing hand and reversing the grip, just to get a new perspective. At the end I was surprised at how big it looked.
                              03/2015 Start <Able to last ~ 2 mins PIV>
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                              12/2019 EL: +2.2 MEG: +1 <Able to last 60+ mins PIV>

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